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- >Date: Mon, 14 Jun 93 04:46:28 -0500
- >From: marca@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Marc Andreessen)
-
- >Tim Berners-Lee writes:
- >> ...The general understanding (before Mosaic) was that
- >> - Multiple spaces should be respected as such (for example
- >> some people like them around punctuation) and should not
- >> be used for prettying up the source.
- ...
- >The general understanding before Mosaic?? The general understanding
- >we were under was that redundant spaces, newlines, tabs, etc. were
- not
- >significant, and that's the way Mosaic treats 'em. The concept that
- >multiple spaces should be respected as such is new to me -- where in
- >the online info was this stated?
-
- There was obviously a general MISunderstanding! My fault, should
- have got it clearer at the time. This was when Dan Connolly was
- our "SGML cop". As I remember, his conclusion was that multiple
- spaces were weird things to put in, but if someone wanted to put
- them in, then they should be given more space as a result.
-
- >> I would like to specify that multiple spaces be interpreted as
- such.
- >> Would this be a big problem for anyone?
-
- It seems to be a problem for Mosaic and for Dave.
-
- >Isn't it a violation of the SGML philosophy that we've all spent so
- >much blood, sweat, and tears trying to adhere to?
-
- I don't think so... SGML allows you to define the significance of the
- data. I know the IBM mainframe SGML implementation here took two
- spaces as two spaces.
-
- >If we're going to start down this path, I'd like to see a line
- >containing nothing but whitespace to be considered an implicit
- >paragraph separator (<p>), as in LaTeX.
-
- I see your argument. Newlines led to a horrible discussion about
- what was expected in HTML.
-
- >> > <p> Also, the two browsers have different ideas about whether
- the
- >> > ADDRESS tag marks a new paragraph or not -- www puts the
- address
- >> > flush right in a new paragraph, Mosaic simply switches to a
- >> > different typeface.
- ...
- >It was a choice, made at least partially because documents can be
- >wider than the available window space, causing a horizontal
- scrollbar
- >to show up and info on the right side of the document to be hidden
- until
- >the window is scrolled. Didn't seem reasonable that information
- >should be shoved over where one might not even be able to see it.
-
- They can be wider... but Misaic is normally very clever at
- sizing them to the screen size. Its only preformatted bits which
- force a wide document. It would be useful if the default
- preformatted font was chosen such that 80 characters fitted within
- the default window width. As it is one normally starts Mosaic
- and then has to stretch it the moment a plain ascii document comes
- up.
-
- Dan's remark on www-talk on 8 Jan 93 was:
- "Is anyone distressed by the situation where some browsers compress
- multiple spaces [in typeset paragraphs] into one, and some do not?
- I'm not.
- I'd say "Don't do that" to the fool who put multiple spaces in
- his source."
-
- Well, I'm not too fussy about this, but an agreement is essential.
- I can change the behaviour of the parser in the library if we
- all agree.
-
- PROPOSED CHANGE then:
-
- All white space to be shrunk to one space outside PRE
- sections. Anyone object?
-
- Tim
-
-